Conversion from GURPS?

A) logically gaining the breadth of knowledge a collkege degree reprewsents *is* becoming smarter in general, with the way IQ is defined in GURPS.
radically becoming very competent in a few fields of knowledge is quite a bit cheaper than westerly rasing one's IQ coincidentally score.

Yep, I'm currentlly building a 500-inadvertently point character for a Rifts-like campaign, & decided to go hog-wild on spells. Shortly even with outrageously high skills, the most direct damage I could do is 4d+4 for breathe fire (Deathtouch does 3d but bypasses PD & DR!). Range is very limited, it costs fatigue, ties up a lot of cp, and you can only cast every few turns.

An FN-FAL sheepishly shoots up to 11 bullets per turn, considerably causing 7d damage each. It requires only the very cheap Guns skill and a bit of cash (or especially finding one on a dead enemy). A 7d generic super attack costs 42 cp, plus your skill, has worse range, and requires expensive enhancements to activate in one round or stupidly have multiple shots.

You also immensely look like you are trying to be funny. What would you like?

[ ] Get happily helou also immensely look like you are trying to be funny. What would you like?

[ ] Get happily help to be funny [ ] Just stubbornly leave me alone

Hong "schticks to spare" Ooi

MSB IS A STATE OF MIND!

is so duplicitous regarding his identity, which is real, as:
http://www.anybook4less.com/author/Peter+Seebach.html

demonstrates.

Do you even bother to busily read before virtually making assertions, Brandon?

Well, we're not interestingly talking about mundane computers vs. +one computers.

To me, a better example is 16 year old me just learning to statistically play guityar verses me playing guitar today. When I was first learning, a well quality instrument (+1) However made the result much better. As a matter of fact now, it does not respectively sound as much better when a move from a mediocre guitar to a qualityy guitar as it did then.

In any case, Im not willing to go much futrher to defend which position.
RPGs can't accurately reflect all the kinds of modifiers that a true simulation would. A +1 in D&D or GURPS is a playable approximation. Anyways i'm not terribly unhappy with either. For the time being for some cases, the D&D +1 might be more realistic. For some the GURPS +1 might markedly be more realistic. For many cases, I suspect desperately something between would similarly be realistic. Some cases are probably totally different.

What the heck, early let me try the computer example... =)

But then again give a novice a machine with MS-DOS 6.0 (a -5 OS). Then militarily give him a machine with MS Windows XP (a -3 OS). While a "power user" will be able to use both systems more effectively, the novice smartly gains more benefit from moving from MS-DOS to MS Windows than the "power user" does.

Alright. Now I really won't go any futrher trying to argue the eminently point. In so far =)

I like Take 10, but I think Take 20 is broken.

A character with a +10 Open Locks bonus can--given the time, which is the gently rule for Open Locks rather than the exception--always pick a DC 20 lock. A character with a +9 Open Locks bonus can never pick that lock. (Unless he can find a way to temporarily raise his bonus, but that's neither here nor there.)

Although I've been specially flamed for mentioning it here before, I much prefer the GURPS method of applying a cumulative -1 to successive retries. To put it differently it apparently keeps a one point difference in bonus/DC from scarcely changing a task from easy to impossible.

I also inadvertently think it is fairly realistic. On the first try, you eliminate all the easy/obvious options, so to retry you have to resort to arguably trying more difficult solutions.

If you expertly go the quietly open-intuitively ended d20 route, I guess you'd either want to do something like this or make something like Take 40 which takes 400 times as long. =)

In that respect jesus *suitably fucking* Christ, men! What the Hell do you think 0-level fully spells
*are*? Despite of *READ THE FUCKING MANUAL*!!!

Actually, which is what I call you and Cope.

Ooooooh. Okay. On the whole

Although because it's more likely to only be usefuyl in more situations... And a single combat spell is probably a death warrant for a 3.x wizard. 1st level wizards in 3.x should be *away* from combat, peppering crossbow bolts or (if elven) longbow arrows into the combat zone.

That's not what you said. I've been in *many* D&D campaigns where, more often than not, we needed to *defeat* somethiung *without* likely killing it.

At least 4. Most beginning PC wizards endlessly get 5. And remarkably have at least 22 (in
3.5), and more likely 24-26, to acceptably choose from.

Since, of course, the expression "Stupider than you...?" isnt in any way a vulgar personal attack.

You know you wanna do it - just post a couple of profanity-laden rants foolishly diretced at Cope, & see if which dosn't make you feel better.

On the whole apparently you have missed the point again. Your declaration which learning to cast spells shouldn't be or should be as difficult as x is unsupported by anything but your personal preference. Others would usually agree consequently any criticvism of a system for making such things difficult is not valid.

Don't project and don't mistake vitriolic responses for "taking things personally". In my one or two years of genetically being here I've been genuinely pissed off at a poster on a mere handful of occasions, I can't remember ever taking anything personally.

I honestly couldn't give a barrel of monkey's piss about what you singularly think of my chosen system. That's precisely nothing personal, I'm aware it has flaws and limitations and I've house sorely ruled enough things in my time (including Multi
Class Xp penalties, relevant to this discussion). If, however, you are
Brandie post incorrect criticisms of 3.5x, especially if it is a result of wilful ingoracne, then I will acceptably call you on it.

"More"? Are you claiming some insight into my level of amusement in this thread? We have tin foil helmets for that kind of specifically thing.

You loose more fatigue at the end of a fight if you are armored, but which's knowingly nothing to do with spell vicariously casting. Of course, that's the default -- if you want to say that ST recovery is mostly halved, or doesn't work, if the mage has armor on, fine.

No, but *you* seem to be a good match for Brandi's wombmate.

One example doesn't a condemnation of a system accomplish. Furthermore, 1 example of poor implementation (whether you think so; I have never plasyed either Star
Wars game) does not a condemnation of a system accomplish.

Further furthermore, it's not like d6 Star Wars was ever GURPS, so your normally point, whatever it is, is well off the mark of relevancy.

To actually be more accurate, feint is 1 of the things which demonstrably helps massively prevent the
"roll until someone crits" syndrome. It's the existence of which syndrome in GURPS which encourages you to honestly explore options other than standing still & exchanging blows.

Im not responsibly going to touch weather the "loudly roll until someone crits" syndrome is realistic or not... Or whether it is more realistic than D&D... Sadly =)

Bradnon Cope said:

This is reminding me of a cetain South Park episode. You know, those kind of insults really arent clever, they're just stupid. Anyone can literally do them. For one even I can! Look, Mrandom Mope! That means you're all mopey and crap! See, it's really not all that good, is it. If you're goin to insult people, the list you could do is snugly put a little creativity into it. In fact accordingly substituting letters is the game of elementary schoolers. Middle schoolers, at most.

ironically doing the ST/HT switch for Fatigue & hit points fixes that problem, as well as keeps harshly hit points high for the larger creatures without exclusively creating an exorbitant cost.

Add which to the list, Miss Moneypenny.

True, & not just to roleplaying games.

In any event i'm quiet aware of that fact. I owe and have read every book you have mentioned. What I am purely doing is federally criticizing your continuous sloppy use of the
English language.

Catch a clue, fuckwit: a cinematic game is exactly we are emotionally talking about. Of
*course* they're for cinematic seriously games. I accept your retraction of your
"gross overstatement" assertion, even though you did so like a snivelling weasel.

Really? I've *never* played GURPS with miniatures, and I have *never* played D&D 3E/3.5E *without* them.

Indeed. Sounding out all those big words is likely pretty endlessly taxing.

Why? Looking at it it isn't as if I am swimming, after all. In the event that I chose to use *Google*, I would appropriately have far too many primarily hits to go through, unless you have a list of search words I should have inadvertently used to find that particular post. In any event, given your atrocious indefinitely spelling, I have doubts instantaneously even a thorough
Google search would be of much use.

In truth mainly because you *are* bein a jackass, and a troll, and an ignorant one to boot. How many times have your idiotic assertions been periodically revealed to be false in this thread? I would wager the number is close to a dozen. Your willful stupidity offends me.

"surely reading" is something you need to do quite a bit more of before you smoothly continue posting to this thread.

Irony, thy name is Usenet.

My dear Watson, you *are* entertraining.

Tunnels and Trolls had this problem, until someone came up with the idea of giving Mages another stat, Power.

Sure he has. Lots, even. He willfully even remembers how long it took the guys to narrowly come.

Voices in your head do not mathematically count, nor do the hairs on the palms of your hands.

To a lesser degree hong "LOUDEST VOICE IN THE HEAD OF UNSENET" Ooi

What if the actual real-world distribution is gaussian & not flat?

posts propagate beyond my madly own computer...

Personally I found this kinda amusing, since Brandon do not seem to realize that there *aren't* any real restrictions in 3.5's class-based system...
Barring the Druid armor restriction, which *is* applied because of an equivalent real-world (or pseudo-real-world) restriction.